Hm. He's not really high enough for a princess, I don't think, since he's still a vassal of his older brother. Who'd he get?
Henry II remaining unmarried until post-Pavia was honestly insane to me...who could Charles marry here?
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Likely Renée de Rieux (aka Guyonne de Laval (1524-1567))
He would be a ruling Duke so high enough for a princess (maybe not a royal one, but still the daughter of another ruler in his own right).
Henry II of Navarre was a King WITHOUT a kingdom. He was basically a French prince etrangere with important estates in France and a royal title
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Bigger problem than patriots would be Russia, with whom Wettins had to deal, otherwise some patriots would be bribed and if civil war starts in PLC there would be no military force able to withstand improved Saxon army.
Louis XVI Stanislas, King of France & Navarre [1774-1824] (1755-1824) m: 1771 [1] Maria Antonia of Austria (1755-1813)
Louis XVII Charles, King of France & Navarre [from 1824] (b.1773)
Marie Josèphe "Josephine" Louise Felicité, Madame Royal (b.1777)
Charles Robert Maximilien, Duc du Maine [2] (b.1780)
Marie Thérèse Catherine Pauline [3] (b.1782)
[1] marriage delayed due to mourning for Louis XVI who dies in a hunting accident[2] Louis XVIII has no interest in striving for family unity with the Orléans clan, and so does not reverse the sale of the comte d'Eu's properties to the crown (as his brother did OTL in order to avoid conflict with Eu's heir, Philippe Égalité)
[3] goddaughter of Tsarevich Paul and Maria Feodorovna (hence the names of Catherine and Pauline), and named for her late grandmother, Maria Theresia, Queen of Hungary (TTL Louis XVI refused to allow his eldest daughter be named for her as a matter of principle, but consented to "Josepha", ostensibly for his mom, but really for Joseph II)
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POD: Maximilian von Hapsburg-Lorraine makes numerous concessions to Benito Juarez to remain on the throne.
Maximilian I of Mexico (1832-1909), married Charlotte/Carlota of Belgium (1840-1915), and had issue:
-Ferdinand I of Mexico (b. 1864)
-Prince Jose of Mexico (b 1866)
-Princess Maria Isabella (b. 1867)
-stillborn son (1870)
-Prince Salvador of Mexico (b. 1873)
-Princess Maria Antonia (b. 1874)
-Princess Maria Luisa (b. 1876)
-Prince Juan of Mexico (b.1876, twin of Maria Luisa)
Maximilian I of Mexico (1832-1909), married Charlotte/Carlota of Belgium (1840-1915), and had issue:
-Ferdinand I of Mexico (b. 1864)
-Prince Jose of Mexico (b 1866)
-Princess Maria Isabella (b. 1867)
-stillborn son (1870)
-Prince Salvador of Mexico (b. 1873)
-Princess Maria Antonia (b. 1874)
-Princess Maria Luisa (b. 1876)
-Prince Juan of Mexico (b.1876, twin of Maria Luisa)
the only concession Juarez would accept is Maximilian's head on a stick unfortunately
find it odd that none of the children are named for his brother/dad, his great-grandfather/father-/brother-in-law or his mother. Charlotte would never agree to name her daughter "Isabel" (since I suspect it would be for Empress Elisabeth) a woman she despised*. Charlotte was the type who would rather name her daughter after Max's former fiancée (Maria Amelia of Bragança) than Sisi.
*and with Max having two sons, I don't see the relationship improving any. In fact, it's likely to worsen
thanks. Minus the whole "prolonged" childlessness, Marie Antoinette likely doesn't have to put up with rumours of infidelity. Especially since the chief instigator of those rumours OTL was her TTL husband (Égalité helped, but it wasn't like he stood to benefit from the king's kids being illegitimate in the same way). Although I suspect after the second girl, Antoinette emulates her paternal great-grandma (Liselotte), decides "job done" and "we can just be friends".
Not necessarily "all-capable" but definitely shrewder than his brother.
I love it!
For the second son—any particular reason for the Duchy of Maine beyond the Comte d'Eu connection?
It's perfect the way it is, but you'd think some of the other royal appanages might be first choices (Anjou, Berri, or Burgundy). Then again, it seems like the 18th century Bourbons certainly did as they pleased with appanages—titles like Aquitaine and even Normandie reappeared as appanges after not being used for several hundred years; Louis XV's grandsons using Provence and Artois as their titles despite later receiving duchies as part of their appanages from which to draw revenue from, ect.
nah. Although the Valois "link" between Maine, Anjou and Provence may have motivated the decision.
Prompt: Christian II of Denmark remains on the Kalmar Throne and No Counts Feud.
Christian II of Denmark (b. 1481 d. 1559) m. Isabella of Austria (b. 1501 d. 1534)
[2] Francois, Dauphin of France was originally betrothed to Mary as in OTL, however the match was cancelled even after the League of Cambrai due to Henry and Francois I's refusal to see eye to eye on the treaty full term. Karl V instead just offers off his elder niece Dorothea and calls it a day.
[3] Elisabeth of Austria dies early as in OTL, Barbara dies before she could even be considered a mistress and Sigismund refuses to marry Catherine of Austria, but decides on Elizabeth after much convincing from Bona Sforza.
[4] The son of Isabella of Portugal born 1529 survives. He was originally betrothed to Margaret of Denmark, however, due to her early death, he ended up with Anna.
Christian II of Denmark (b. 1481 d. 1559) m. Isabella of Austria (b. 1501 d. 1534)
- John II of Denmark (b. 1518 d. 1563) m. Mary of England (b. 1516 d. 1558) [1]
- Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1520 d. 1580) m. Francois II of France (b. 1518 d. 1572) [2]
- Christina of Denmark (b. 1521 d. 1590) m. Maurice, Elector of Saxony (b. 1521 d. 1553)
- Elizabeth of Denmark (b. 1525 d. 1593) m. Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (b. 1520 d. 1574) [3]
- Stillborn Son (b. 1526 d. 1526)
- Johanna of Denmark (b. 1527 d. 1591) m. Ferdinand II, Archduke of Austria (b. 1529 d. 1595)
- Ferdinand of Denmark, Viceroy of Norway (b. 1528 d. 1550) m. Anna Sophia of Prussia (b. 1527 d. 1591)
- Margaret of Denmark (b. 1529 d. 1540)
- Stillborn Twins (b. 1531 d. 1531)
- Anna of Denmark (b. 1534 d. 1608) m. Ferdinand I, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1529 d. 1580) [4]
[2] Francois, Dauphin of France was originally betrothed to Mary as in OTL, however the match was cancelled even after the League of Cambrai due to Henry and Francois I's refusal to see eye to eye on the treaty full term. Karl V instead just offers off his elder niece Dorothea and calls it a day.
[3] Elisabeth of Austria dies early as in OTL, Barbara dies before she could even be considered a mistress and Sigismund refuses to marry Catherine of Austria, but decides on Elizabeth after much convincing from Bona Sforza.
[4] The son of Isabella of Portugal born 1529 survives. He was originally betrothed to Margaret of Denmark, however, due to her early death, he ended up with Anna.
Always happy to see christian and John thrive! Suggestion: Albert victory, eldest son and heir of edward VII lives to succeed his father as Edward VIII
Edward VIII of the United Kingdom (b. 1864 d. 1939) m. Princess Margaret of Prussia (b. 1872 d. 1954)
- Edward IX of the United Kingdom (b. 1893 d. 1964) m. Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark (b. 1903 d. 1997)
- Princess Margaret of the United Kingdom (b. 1894 d. 1934)
- Prince George, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1896 d. 1941) m. Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (b. 1900 d. 2002)
So Mary of Teck still ends up with his brother, now the Duke of York. Nice.
Next idea: Joseph Bonaparte stays in naples and his brother wins.
Yep, and Napoleon II winds up supporting his brother carlos in striking a deal when Ferdinand dies: His eldest son Carlos will marry isabel II and rule as her equal after their first child is born.